The House of Moctezuma

I like that “suspended”! And did not even Franco “un-suspend” them?

From the Mexican Revolution (1910–1929) until the 1990s, Mexico was basically a one-party state with a revolutionary inspiration, and as such it refused to recognise the Spanish government for the whole of the Franco era.

So, alas, the Spanish descendants had no recourse to challenge the suspension when it was enacted in 1934, and unfortunately were not wise enough to take up the case when diplomatic relations were restored in the 1970s.

From 2003 onwards, however, the Acosta (in Mexico) and Miravalle (in Spain) families have been engaged in legal appeals to get the Mexican government to restore payment of the pensions.

Good for them. I hope they will have the same success in seeing their just claims recognised as have so many Bohemian noble families in recent years.
By the way, that would be a good subject for a future series of postings. You might begin with Karel Schwarzenberg and go on to the Lobkowitz and Colloredo Mansfeld princes (the latter have had some 80,000 acres of forest returned to their stewardship, as well as a palace over forty bays long.

Well I’m sure that was the least of their problems, considering Mexico had a murderous athestic regime from 1924 to 1935.

And restoring property is lovely, but when shall we see these houses restored to their thrones?

The Spaniards crushed the Aztec empire, dethroned Moctezuma, and took Mexican gold and silver to Spain (which was mined with the forced labor of the indigenous peoples, I might add)… The Moctezumas married only Spanish spouses (at least the lines with pensions being “owed” to them) and many live in Spain. Why should Mexico have to pay anything to them? How about the government in Madrid? The King of Spain is who owes the family, not Mexico… I find that ridiculous.

“The Spaniards crushed the Aztec empire.” So they did, and God undoubtedly both inspired them to do so, and blessed them for their success. No more satanic empire has ever existed under the sun.
Our Lady of Guadalupe’s appearance to Juan Diego sealed the new covenant between a people liberated from false gods and the true God the Spanish literally brought to them in the true and efficacious Sacrifice of the Mass.

To Baron v Hetterscheidt:

While there is no doubt I share your view that God had a plan to further his Kingdom, your comments hardly address the issues at hand. A second reading of my comments may be of help to you.

No “more satanic empire”…? You must know something about Germany, no? And if it is the True God you seek, no need for Our Lady, look to the Son.

Gentlemen,

We should be able to discuss these issues in a gentlemanly way. While one should not get trapped in evaluating historic events with todays standards, it seems fair to conclude that the brutality of the Aztecs – my own ancestors – was very much contributing to getting Cortez the allies, who enabled him to conquer Tenochtitlan. However,nor was the behaviour of the indisputably gold-hungering Christians an ornament to their religion and culture. Luckily, it is all remote history – remote in the sense that it is irrepairable, irreversable. This should enable us to approach the issue in a impassionate fashion.

To the fun part: I – a Dane of mostly Danish and German ancestry – descend from Doña Isabel de Moctezuma through the Barragáns. My grandmother’s grandmother was Elena Barragán. When her uncle, Miguel Barragán, became Mexican president (1835-38), people said:”Now the blood of Moctezuma again rules Mexico” – a much larger Mexico, by the way.

Kind regards,
Henrik Holstein

Thank you Holstein,

For bringing all this commentary to its senses. Oh, and that delightful bit of family history. Perhaps not delightful, but an interest button went off somewhere in the grey-matter.

Recently, an exhibit at Melbourne Museum featuring the Aztec, seemed to utterly confirm the goriness of that era (and now confirmed here also).

Although I now regret not having a peep; I did down an Aztec-themed chill-infused hot-chocolate, at one of its cafes. You may be aware that exhibit-themed cafes are now infuriatingly ubiquitous.

A beating-heart themed dish would have at least shown someone had a -depleted – sense of humour!

… or, perhaps it was CHILLI-infused after all.

Looking for any information on Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro de Gabay

This is a very lively debate.

Regarding PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA that was born about 1550, many people have published she was the daughter of Diego Arias de Sotelo and Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma, but I guess that’s not true. It’s more possible to have been daughter of DON PEDRO DE MOCTEZUMA, that it seems he had many children. In fact, PETRONILA is the Female Name Form of PEDRO. So PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA was a Daughter of don PEDRO DE MOCTEZUMA??

PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA MARRIED MARTIN NAVARRO AND HAD 2 DAUGHTERS:

ANA FRANCISCA DE GABAY NAVARRO MOCTEZUMA
MARIA DE GABAY NAVARRO MOCTEZUMA

BOTH OF THEM AND THEIR HUSBANDS AND CHILDREN LIVED AND DIED IN AGUASCALIENTES, MÉXICO.

WAS DON PEDRO DE MOCTEZUMA THE FATHER OF PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA??

Andrew! I just googled ‘Duke of Moctezuma’ and was so surprised to see your name pop up in the results. This is more informative than the wikipedia article, and I get to say hello to an old friend. Hope you’re doing well.

In response to Alfonso Gonzalez no Petronila was not the daughter of Pedro, she was the daughter of Leonor de Valderrama and Diego de Sotelo. She is my ancestor actually. One of Petronila’s brother’s even settled in Michoacan and many of Petronila’s descendants such as myself are from Jalisco as many of the family members were all from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco and some consisting in Michoacan. They are all close to proximity to each other. Isabel de Moctezuma’s children also settled in Zacatecas and Jalisco and Aguascalientes or left for New Mexico. I hope that it answered your question.

Thank you Mr. Cusack for posting this !!!

Mario

Was Xipaguacin Moctezuma the mother of Leonor de Valderrama? If not, who was Leonor’s mother?

Very interesting read here. As an American, I bring a very surprising link to this. My mother’s 9x great grandmother, Diana Skipwith Dale, came to Virginia after 1650 with her brother Sir Grey Skipwith, later 3rd Baronet of Prestwold, Leicestershire after the English Civil War. Diana and Sir Grey were descendants of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala who had come to England as a lady-in-waiting of Pedro the Cruel’s daughter Constance of Castile when she married John of Gaunt, son of King Edward III of England. Sancha was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Toledo and Ines de Ayala. Sancha’s brother Pedro de Ayala, Lord of Casarrubios, was an ancestor of King Fernando V of Aragon (husband of Queen Isabella of Castile). Sancha’s uncle Pedro de Ayala, Canciller de Castilla, was an ancestor of Mexico’s first Viceroy Don Antonio de Mendoza. Sancha’s father Diego Gomez de Toledo was the nephew of Constanza de Toledo who was an ancestor of Hernan Cortes, Conquistador of Mexico. I have been researching my family in England for many years, but I have to say that my Spanish lines and the ties in Europe and Latin America are absolutely fascinating to me. As it stands, I suppose I am distantly related to the House of Moctezuma via Hernan Cortes’ relationship with one of the daughters of the Aztec ruler. Very interesting!

Well my hope is that they will be recognized as well as other rightful heirs such as the descendants in Mexico, and New Mexico, U.S.A.

I have traced my maternal grandmother’s line and I’m related also to Montezuma and Cortez and many Spanish Conquistadors. It’s still a work in progress but extremely fascinating. Many generations of ancestors were from Aquascalientes and Asientos. It seems the line traces to Spain Andulucia in the 1450 and 1500 century.

I am the 12th great grandson of the Tlatoani Moctezuma Xocoyotzin through his daughter, Tecuichpoch Ixcaxochitzin. I am a member of the Texas Band of Yaqui Indians and was further researching my family tree when I found out!

recently I came across an article that included the following: luis guzman y moctemuza m. josefa de villagomez. they lived around 1700.

does he descend from moctezuma? if so, specifically, how?

thank-you

Hello, I am a descendant of Lope Ruiz Esparza and Ana Francisca Gabay Navarro y Moctezuma,nice to see people interested in these family topics.

My husband ancestors have the Moctezuma last name. His paternal grandmother mothers name is Francisca Moctezuma. Her great grandfathers name was Toribio Moctezuma. I can’t find any information on who his parents were. I need to find a connection to see if they are descendants on the Emperor Moctezuma.

I am a descendent of Mariana Leonor de Moctezuma and Conquistador Cristóbal de Valderrama Haro y Céspedes. They’re my 11th Great grandparents. Making Moteuhzomatzin Xocoyotl and Tzihuacxochitzin Acatlán my 12th great grandparents.
Tlatoani Mexica, Axayácatl, “Weyi Tlahtoani, poeta et auctor ad lapidem solis” and Xochicuéyetl Azcalxóchitl Xochiquetzal de Texcoco Are my 13th great grandparents.
María de Islas de Lavezzari Is my 8th great grandmother along with her husband
Capitán Andrés Martínez de Sotomayor y de las Ruelas

By my count I am 16 generations from Petronila de moctezuma and Martin Navarro de Gabay most likely the youngest to enter the chat. My fathers side is pretty much absent in our lives and that prompted me to research! There isnt anyone really around or alive to ask either seeing he as he was born in 1955 and was ‘the baby of the family’. I found Petronila through his grandmothers side.