Long Live Our Holy Germany!

Good story. Do you have anything on Admiral Canaris. He opposed Hitler fromt he beginning, not just after military catastrophe. Thanks.

Hi there
first I want to say I am german and i just read this nice little article about Col. Stauffenberg and I just wanted to say: It’s nice to see that at least a few people outside of germany know about our hero. “Ehre unserem gefallenem Helden: Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg!”

The memory of Claus von Stauffenberg will live forever. He is my personal hero.

Just finished reading a biography on graf Stauffen-berg :
Stauffenberg, the man who nearly killed Hitler – Joachim Kramarz – Mayflower books 1967 – English translation. Impressive man.

Ese hombre debe estar en el cielo, es un hèroe que merece ser recordado por generaciones…

I think this is a wonderful story as well as a great piece in history. I read all about it and it’s quite fascinating. I am not sure who else cares about it in this new 2000’s age, but I certainly think so.

Personally I have relatives who served in World War 1 and 2, and it’s an honor to have that in the family. I wonder how many kids nowadays know that about their own family. People should get into history more and remember those who resisted and loved their country in times of trouble. My whole family is Canadian, and we love, especially me and my Dad to learn about German military history.

I am able to tell by a person’s actions and by mere seeing mere pictures a bit about what a person is like.
Good on Colonel Stauffenberg for being the one to walk into a room with a bomb and walk back out knowing it’s going to explode to put away a devil. I totally admire this.

Hitler was an evil beast, and will always be known as a sicko, but von Stauffenberg was a good person, and will always be known as a super hero.

Good people will die for their mother land. Colonel Stauffenberg did the same. Very inspirable man.

To Roy who noted above that other non-Germans know about your hero. It is probably more than you know…this is the single most important part of history (in my opinion) and I am an American. If I could ever be so lucky to meet anyone in his surviving family, it was be a blessing. I would love to tell them in person what an honorable man their father was. Many people during this time, change the lives of so many people in the world.

The Last few months of the war itself claimed more than 40 million lives. Perhaps the gravest assassination attempt whose failure that is ever regretted of all times. After all these years the feelings still remain.

I just recently saw the movie Valkurie. I was very interested to learn more about Colonel Stauffenberg. I wish his third attempt to assainate Hitler would have worked because a lot of great men, especially Colonel Stauffenberg, wouldn’t have been killed. And I think it’s a shame that when most people think of Germany, they think of Hitler first. But I’m glad that there were great men in Hitler’s army that didn’t share his believes, and that they were brave enough to risk it all to try and kill the world’s enemy. Those brave men and especially Stauffenberg, will always be thought of and remembered as herores. And I hope the members of their families that are still with us are as proud of them as we are.

The Colonel’s action cannot be commended according to St. Thomas Aquinas, the Angelic Teacher. In his book, On Kingship, St. Thomas describes the extraordinarily strict criteria for the just overthrow of a tyrant. One of them is that the tyrant may not be assassinated. Another is that one must be almost certain that it will not produce a civil war. St. Thomas Aquinas goes on to say that, barring the extremely strict criteria he lists for a holy liberation, Catholics are allowed only to pray and suffer at the hands of tyrants, for the ends can never justify the means.
Your honest mistake is not uncommon. The Christeros of Mexico; Augusto Pinochet, who was a freemason; and others have thought similarly. All of them have given an unjustifiable Catholic face to what can only be called regicide and rebellion.
I urge anyone who loves freedom to look up St. Thomas’ criteria. It might save the world some horrors in the horrible future we are facing.

Strict Catholic is confused. A rebellion is acceptable if it is sure of success, as was both Franco’s and Pinochet’s. The army revolt in Spain in 1936 only resulted in a civil war when the republic proved stronger than expected.
Pinochet and his fellow junta members were entirely correct in their calculation that Allende had no serious support. Remember that the wretch committed suicide; he was not killed by those who overthrew him.
I am sympathetic to his view of Stauffenberg however. Better would have been an Army led monarchist revolt in, say, 1938. But this was just not in the Prussian character.

Your Excellency (?!),
I know that a rebellion is acceptable, but St. Thomas’ terms are still quite strict. I don’t know much about the Spanish Civil War, but the fact that it did lead to a civil war that, even with great help from Germany and Italy lasted all of four(?) years makes me suspect that it should not have qualified. Likewise, the Chilean military bombed the Presidential palace, which I respectfully propose counts as attempted regicide. There were communist snipers defending Allende, who I think would qualify in a Catholic court of law as independent bandits/criminals, as I do not believe they were constitutionally/legally a part of the government. I don’t disagree that Pinochet’s coup fits the Catholic guidelines, just not the Air Force’s bombing of the Presidential Palace. I guess I would have to look up St. Thomas’ wording to judge accurately whether the bombing of the Palace would be justifiable under the circumstances. Just send infantry into the palace, for goodness’ sakes. I have trouble believing that Allende committed suicide; the official report was written by the military, and might have been a lie. Pinochet _was_ a freemason. As for the Christeros of Mexico, I think my argument still stands that they were not in line with the Magisterium.
This issue is important to me because, as a former Protestant convert, I dislike the fact that Catholics have the reputation of being, if you’ll pardon me for saying so, chaotic, vile, frequently Marxist former Romans who can only dream of being as industrious, orderly, and moral as the Victorians, Prussians, Singaporeans, etc. Let’s face it; the most prominent stereotypically Catholic societies of the past three hundred years have been the French, Italians, Irish, and Latin Americans, not to mention Austrians, none of whom have been as organized and prosperous as the British, Prussians, Dutch, and Swiss, in a word, Protestants. We need excommunication back in the Church for us to be taken seriously.

The government overthrown by Franco and his allies was in any case illegitimate.
That of Allende hardly less so.
I had tea with General Pinochet once (while he was incarcerated in England by the filthy Blair regime), and he was the soul of good manners and good sense. He looked surprised when i told him he ought never to have relinquished power.
He may well have been a Freemason at an early stage of his career, but he was a devout Catholic (of a traditionalist tendency, naturally) later, despite the persecution he suffered at the hands of Leftist clerics.
As for bombing the palace: war is war, and a swift end to it is good for everyone involved. One must remember that the Chilean army was Prussian trained, and the Prussians were never known for prosecuting a war half-heartedly.
All this aside, I do very much agree with you about Latin countries and the general superiority of Northern European ones, except, perhaps, for a few unimportant things like food, wine, painting, architecture, music, and … well, life in general.
Public order is all well and good, indeed essential, but it is not everything.

Excellency, I don’t know about the legitimacy of the Spanish Republic, but at least on Wikipedia, I see no allegations of fraud pertaining to Allende’s election; a tyranical platform does not prevent a candidate’s election from being legal.
St. Thomas’ point is that a just coup is emphatically not war; I don’t know the effect of bombing the Palace, but I suspect that anything that threatens the life of the head of state would be verboten.
Even knowing associating with Masons incurs excommunication latae sententiae; reconciliation can only occur by the Pope.
The western world is on the verge of mass starvation and subsequent military hegemony of China and perhaps India. Catholics ought to eschew luxury now in order to live to make converts.

I hope you are not suggesting that tea with the general brought about my immediate excommunication?

I apologize, Excellency; I read _In Eminenti_ too strictly. That said, it is good for Catholics to shun freemasons. Since participation in freemasonry merits excommunication latae sententiae, pardonable only by the Pope on one’s deathbed, a punishment far worse than that proposed in the following link for unmarried mothers, er… one should generally refuse freemasons ordinary social interaction. “Without rejections like this, he/she will never convert to the right position.”

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/H002_Parents_UnwedMothers_Sretenovic.htm

We need new converts!